Poll: Is Teacher Right? Is Christie 'Scary'?
Woman tells governor that she was almost too scared to ask a question due to his tone.
Are you scared? One teacher told Gov. Chris Christie on Monday that she is. And it is the governor she is scared of.
According to a report by the Gannett Statehouse Bureau, a woman who did not share her name told Christie at a townhall meeting that “I’m a teacher on maternity leave, and I was scared to death to talk to you." When asked by Christie why that was, she answered it's because he scares her.
Do you agree? It's been well documented the back-and-forth between Christie and the NJEA. Christie has been quoted and videotaped shouting at and down teachers and other New Jersey residents at other town hall meetings.
However, Christie has noted that the teachers union has come after him hard, spending millions in advertisements attacking him. In the report, Christie says he'd like for both parties to be more civil.
We want to know what you think? Does the tone the governor take at town hall meetings and elsewhere scare you? Or do you think it has its place? Vote in our poll, and tell us why you voted that way in the comments.
Editor's Note: This poll appears on multiple Patch sites in Morris, Somerset and Sussex counties. The comments you see may not be by residents of your specific town.
Joseph Keyes
12:41 pm on Tuesday, March 20, 2012
The only things scary about the governor are his shoot-from-the-hip decisions. His Ralph Kramden presentation skills neither serve this state nor how it’s viewed by the nation.
dweezie48
12:00 am on Thursday, March 22, 2012
At least he stands up to pressure and shows a backbone which can't be said for previous NJ governors. I support Governor Christie 100%, he is what NJ needs!!!!
PatienceWorth
1:07 pm on Tuesday, March 20, 2012
lol......Who designs these poll questions? How does Christie's "tone" translate to "no shouting in government"?
How about this be the poll:
1. Is Christie's tone appropriate for the position he puts himself in urban town hall meetings?
or
2. Are puppies nice?
The answers to "Does Christie's tone scare you?" is yes or no, not some spun tilt add-on phrase.
Moira
11:33 am on Wednesday, March 21, 2012
Excellent point. These polls are often poorly drafted.
Lurky Loo
1:22 pm on Tuesday, March 20, 2012
Funny coming from a teacher who probably screamed "Kick Christie in the Toolbox" at the last convention!
Maurice Marvi
10:48 am on Wednesday, March 21, 2012
@Lurky Loo
And you know this how?
And there is a difference between a Town Hall, where many different opinions are meant to be shared openly, and a single issue convention.
As for kicking the the governor in the Toolbox, that is not the nicest sentiment. Anyway. to be sucesful, you either have to a very long foot, or be optimistic on the ability of your shin to deflect the Gov's hanging midsection. {OK, that second part wasn't very nice, it was a joke. I have neither the inkling of kicking the Governors Toolbox, or any other appendage.}
Lurky Loo
10:58 am on Wednesday, March 21, 2012
I know this cause I saw the video of the 2010 teachers convention and watched the teachers and the NJEA screaming like rabid dogs. Wanna see it?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WdqQTIQhn5A
Maurice Marvi
11:05 am on Wednesday, March 21, 2012
And you saw that the woman who was sacred to talk to the governor was one of those yelling.
Are you a painter? Because you have a pretty broad brush.
Lurky Loo
11:08 am on Wednesday, March 21, 2012
If you actually read my comment I said probably but you can't even spell successful so I'm not holding out hope you can read too.
Maurice Marvi
11:27 am on Wednesday, March 21, 2012
Yes, I misspelled successful. Hiding behind spellcheck
Yes, you said "probably". Hiding behind semantics.
That said you are probably a Knee Jerk, Reactionary, Recidivist Thumb Sucker with unresolved Daddy Issues and a bed wetting problem".
Probably
Lurky Loo
2:42 pm on Wednesday, March 21, 2012
That's ok Maurice, get it all out. I know how fond you Libs are of personal attacks when you can't get your point across in a civil manner.
Maurice Marvi
3:51 pm on Wednesday, March 21, 2012
Cmon Lou, I did say Probably.
Or is my probably not as valid as yours.
Probably
And my political viewpoint isn't as valid as your?
Probably.
Of course, I was joking,
Probably
Just like Rush when he called Ms Fluke a Prostitute.
Just like Rush when he called Chelsea Clinton the White House dog.
Just like Rush when he calls Feminists Feminazies.
Probably
Not.
Lurky Loo
4:08 pm on Wednesday, March 21, 2012
Ohhh you mean like Bill Maher calling Sarah Palin a dumb (rhymes with runt) and Obama keeps the money for his joke of a re-election. yeah I get it Maurice, selective civility. The Libs demonstrate it so well.
Maurice Marvi
4:21 pm on Wednesday, March 21, 2012
I don't care much for Maher, and don't subscribe to HBO, but as a frenchman said "I disagree with what you say, but will fight for your right to say it."
I am civil to a point. I never would have charachterized Sarah Palin as a foul word. Unprepared, Unsuitable, yes. Foul language no (misspelled, Probably).
I also use (generally) the correct terms for those I disagree with.
Feminist, Not Feminazi
Tea Party Member, Not Tea Bagger
Rush Limbaugh (sp?) not ....Nope, thats too easy
Fairleigh Dickinson, not Fairleigh Ridiculous
I am Maurice Marvi, A Liberal, Not a Lib, and definately not an anonymous lurking troll.
Probably not a good speller either.
james
1:33 pm on Tuesday, March 20, 2012
He needs to be kicked!!
Ahmed Shraim
1:40 pm on Tuesday, March 20, 2012
Typical Hollywood drama. We need Christie to scare people off and to put this state back on track. Stop whining and crying because he is stern. We need a strong governor who does not bow to drama nor sensitive people. Grow a thicker skin and grow up. She is a teacher for God's sake.
jamesgensch
1:45 pm on Tuesday, March 20, 2012
Typical heated townhall and city consel meetings, people shouting ...talking over the speakers not giving others a chance to speak getting ejected.. and now lately... OWS people barging in screeching getting draged out by police Typical gov Chirstie meeting......Chirstie shouting back..
Margret Brady
1:26 pm on Wednesday, March 21, 2012
If you wanted to be objective you caould add the Tea Party radicals to your list. My daughter was a teacher before she died. She had this reminder hung by desk when she taught. Civility- I believe that teachers and students should treat each other with as high a degree of civility as possible. This, too, is a process that can be taught. It is often the educator's responsibility to model this to their students and help them to handle themselves in a manner that achieves the most appropriate result for all. Karen Lynn Brady
Lurky Loo
3:04 pm on Wednesday, March 21, 2012
As far as I or anyone can see on the many vids available online, the tea party is extremely civil. In fact, they even clean up after themselves after a rally. Maybe you were thinking of the OWS protesters, as they leave guns and hypodermic needles wherever they go. Some of them have even been arrested for rape and destruction of property all the while stopping people just like them from getting to their jobs and putting hard working restaurants out of business as workers and tourists were scared to death to frequent their establishment. Too bad someone didn't teach civility to them. On a side note, I am sorry about your daughter. No one should have to bury their child.
PatienceWorth
2:02 pm on Tuesday, March 20, 2012
If you read the link, this story is fishy. No one knows the woman's name, not confirmed she was a teacher, and she brought two kids and a DOG to the meeting, left early without talking to the media. She says she wanted her 3 year old to meet the Governor -- then was shocked at his tone. I haven't heard he did anything more shocking than a hundred previous media clips, what does she live in a vacuum?
It was a setup. Bring your doggie and a three year old to see the meanie governor. We a scaredddddddd........ Probably stuck a pin in the kid so he would cry.
Mac
2:03 pm on Tuesday, March 20, 2012
Christie is exactly what the whole country needs, tough love!
Maurice Marvi
10:50 am on Wednesday, March 21, 2012
Just like we needed a bit of Texas swagger!
The Stig
2:07 pm on Tuesday, March 20, 2012
As the governor noted, for decades the NJEA has been using its money and manpower to bludgeon any pol who didn't support their positions. For the first time we have someone who is fighting back on behalf of parents, students and taxpayers and now teachers are "scared?!" Too bad, it's about time.
Maybe if you demanded more of your union leaders, like real cooperation on tenure reform, school aid funding reform, etc., as opposed to the prevailing attitude of, "give us more money & benefits, and don't even think about touching tenure and seniority rights," more people would side with your membership.
People want change, and the governor is leading the charge.
unun-ion
3:00 pm on Tuesday, March 20, 2012
Only thing to be afraid of is him eating you. Lighten up Numbnuts, it's not a classroom the Governor operates in. He needs to show some strength as the NJEA throws another $11 million at him this year.
Kelly Rodick
5:01 pm on Tuesday, March 20, 2012
He's a bully....he tries to intimidate others for precisely that reason. He WANTS people to be afraid of him so that no one will question him because as it is with most bullies, he's afraid of being seen and judged for what he truly is. And no, I do not have any scientific, quantitative data to back up that statement. It's just my opinion.
The "Original" Hopatcong Mom
6:12 pm on Tuesday, March 20, 2012
Teachers are ripping off Taxpayers??? Really?? WTF rock have you been living under! Teacher's are SEVERELY underpaid for the undisciplined brats that run the public schools...there are no consequences at home so why should there be at school??? What about all that LOTTERY MONEY that says "Support our education"...yeah, right!! That money goes NO WHERE's near the education department!!! So sad the Governor wants to take away from our already underfunded schools so he can have the most expensive set of employees to DATE! FACT!!! What about cutting our property taxes like he promised and give the schools the money they deserve!!
Lurky Loo
6:22 pm on Tuesday, March 20, 2012
Heres where the money goes for lottery as of Nov 2010...
Programs supported by state lottery funds
• Department of Agriculture:
School nutrition program: $4,916,000
• Department of Education:
Marie Katzenbach School for the Deaf: $1,565,000
Non-public school aid: $48,112,000
Statewide assessment program (grades 4,8,11): $8,685,000
School construction and renovations: $24,362,000
• Higher Educational Services
Senior public institutions — operating aid: $365,073,000
Tuition aid grants: $110,450,000
Higher education capital improvement plan — debt service: $12,075,000
Outstanding-scholar recruitment program: $1,312,000
Aid to county colleges for operational costs: $58,149,000
Aid to independent colleges and universities: $8,035,000
Coordinated Garden State scholarship program: $3,011,000
Higher education facilities trust fund — debt service: $9,150,000
Student tuition assistance reward scholarship (STARS): $7,849,000
Opportunity program grants: $11,757,000
Supplementary education program grants: $5,888,000
Veterinary medicine education: $310,000
• Department of Human Services
Operation of centers for the developmentally disabled: $29,723,000
Operation of state psychiatric hospitals: $144,870
Department of Military and Veterans Affairs — operation of homes for disabled soldiers: $31,404
MikeL
5:04 pm on Wednesday, March 21, 2012
The statistics are certainly very interesting. Do any of these funds go to public education below the college level? I guess "School Construction and Renovations" counts. I'm just wondering why so many teachers are paying for so many "unnecessary" school programs out of their own pockets.
Frazure
10:54 am on Sunday, April 1, 2012
Hopatcong Mom - You lost all credibility using "WTF" in your response. This is "kid-speak" text talk used by the uninformed and uneducated among us possessing minimal language skills, not something you would expect from a mature woman and mother.......... and you want to discuss education. Go back under the rock you have been living under.
Maurice Marvi
5:38 pm on Sunday, April 1, 2012
Frazure:
I'll be more diplomatic than Moira.
"Go back under the rock you have been living under."
You make a big assumption about where Hopatcong Mom Lives. And when you assume you make an a$$ of yourself. Not of us though.
PatienceWorth
6:35 pm on Tuesday, March 20, 2012
So, this scaredy woman brings her two kids, including a 3-year old, to see the Governor, and is scared. What, he is going to jump off the podium, run across the room, and attack her and her 3 year old?
They could always run.
Actually, that chase would get a ton of hits on Youtube.
Gordon Rizzuto
9:01 pm on Tuesday, March 20, 2012
All due respect for People who think's he's a bully he is exactly what we need in Jersey. We can't have unions walking all over us. I support Christie 100 percent.
Maurice Marvi
11:02 am on Wednesday, March 21, 2012
Gosh Darned Unions.
What did they ever give us, excluding the 40 hour week, Child labor laws, Workplace Safety. Those had to be legislated.
The benefits (nice, but not as extortionate as you think) were all negotiated using the same tactics that business does.
If you really don't like what the teachers union has done, tell a teacher what you think of their pay and benefits. I think someone other than your child will get a lesson. (Unless you subscribe to the Governor's discussion style)
MikeL
5:01 pm on Wednesday, March 21, 2012
Good point, Gordon. I disagree with your comment about the unions but every once in awhile, a situation calls for someone who isn't going to try to play nice with everyone. Giuliani recreated New York City by doing that. (I'm not trying to pen a debate on Giuliani or his tactics. Just making a point.)
A Friend
9:45 pm on Tuesday, March 20, 2012
All the governor has done has been to blame the public employees for the state's problems when in actually it is the politicians fault (both dem and rep) for not making pension payments and not going after the real reason that your taxes are skyrocketing... HEALTH BENEFITS! If any politicians had some stones, they would start to limit what the health insurance companies can make off of sick people. It sickens me that the Horizon CEO (of a non-profit) makes millions off of others illnesses. That is where your true ire should lie... The health insurance companies are the true lobby you should be scared of.
The Stig
10:32 pm on Tuesday, March 20, 2012
Most public workers now belong the the state's plan (and NJ is self-insured), so blaming the HC companies is a JOKE. The real problem with HC costs is that for decades public employees had platinum plated plans that they paid NOTHING for. Now that they will begin sharing in the real costs, we'll see how long before they start to select plans that are a bit easier on their and the taxpayers' wallets.
The "Original" Hopatcong Mom
10:30 pm on Tuesday, March 20, 2012
WHY are we plunking down HUNDREDS of MILLIONS of dollars into Private School aid and colleges and universities that ALREADY charge a tuition! REALLY??? Then make those schools who are getting MY money PUBLIC otherwise do not use PUBLIC money for a private entity!! That is absolute BULLSH**!!!
Metoo
10:26 am on Wednesday, March 21, 2012
Actually, he was quite nice after he ate the Twinkie I gave him, seemed to settle him down.
FourScore
10:31 am on Wednesday, March 21, 2012
I don't find his tone scary, just extremely unprofessional and indicative of the stereotype that people from NJ are all a bunch of low class thugs.
LB
2:23 pm on Wednesday, March 21, 2012
I agree. Whether a person agrees with Christie's ideas or not is separate from the issue of how he conducts himself. His bully-like, unprofessional behavior is exactly that behavior that we try NOT to instill in our youth.
Eliot W. Collins
1:16 pm on Wednesday, March 21, 2012
I met Gov. Christie at the Bridgewater Townhall meeting back in January. I asked him what I thought was a difficult question and he answered the best that he could. The Governor and I may disagree on some issues, but he seems like a nice guy to me; nothing for anyone to be scared of. In my opinion, we are better off than if Jon Corzine was re-elected.
Sally Beck
1:20 pm on Wednesday, March 21, 2012
Christie loves a good debate. I've been at his townhall meetings. If you have an interesting point, a rant, whatever, he will listen. But when it is his turn to answer and explain his position and you keep interupting and YOU won't listen, he will call you on it.
Gordon Rizzuto
3:08 pm on Wednesday, March 21, 2012
Exactly Sally. I mean most of the people he's been rude too were teachers. If they prayed for my death I'd be saying a lot worse things to them and acting a lot more inappropiate then the way he's acted. Even if you don't like somebody wishing that they're dead is really bad.
MikeL
4:59 pm on Wednesday, March 21, 2012
It would be nice if Governor Christie could make a point without belittling his opponents. Granted, I'm making a generalization and I'm not saying he's a bad governor (or a good one) so please hold your crazy responses. The few things I've seen and heard from him are sarcastic and a little obnoxious. I believe the teacher's "fear" was not of being physically attacked, but by being shouted down and bullied by a powerful man who has a history of doing that.
By the way, I think I spelled everything correctly.
hopenchange?
5:26 pm on Wednesday, March 21, 2012
OMG; all of this because a sweet teacher told the Gov that he is scary? He actually is - and in the time of "anti-bullying" he is one of the biggest (no pun intended) bullies I know! MOST teachers don't agree with the way the NJEA started this verbal brawl with Christie and NOW, guess who is paying the price? The teachers on the front line. There is blatant disrespect, parents would rather make sure little Johnny gets to play football on a freshman team - then have decent hard working teachers? So who is to blame that we have a nation of under achievers? Certainly the Gov wont' blame parents, because they vote too, and there is a lot more parents then teachers. Instead he bad mouths the entire profession, all the while - when he ran for election, he had said that NJ schools are some of the best in the Nation and that "I am a product of NJ public schools." What a difference power makes, huh? Now he would like nothing more then to create hundreds of Charter schools, without the same rules as the public schools have to abide by, then truly get down and work with the actual teachers in the classrooms. Actually see what they do. As for the NEW way to evaluate - is nothing more then holding teachers to the TEST and an administrator's opinions, yeah that's fair. Because we all know they are all really fair people, and don't have favs!! Maybe he needs to scare some parents to get their acts together and actually be sure their kids do homework, go to school everyday and behave!!
Ellyce Orecchio
6:15 pm on Wednesday, March 21, 2012
I have been to two town hall meetings and have nothing but respect for Gov. Christie. I didn't feel the least bit intimidated by him.
Moira
6:46 pm on Wednesday, March 21, 2012
Chris Christie reminds me of Patti Stanger from "Millionaire Matchmaker." He needs to "tell people off." It's so unbecoming of a Governor. Don't like Obama? At least he's a total gentleman. Obama wouldn't have stood behind the backstop at his child's baseball game, directly behind the catcher, in a bright yellow sweater. Christie is arrogant, for no good reason.
Al Iervolino
7:39 pm on Wednesday, March 21, 2012
you think christie is arrogant!! it's amazng how many people obama has fooled. Wow
Maurice Marvi
7:46 pm on Wednesday, March 21, 2012
I'm game, how many, and on what issues?
Extra credit for specifics that can be verified.
Maurice Marvi
7:48 pm on Wednesday, March 21, 2012
Stop tapping on the glass Maurice, it only confuses the poot things!
Aw Mom!
MikeL
8:16 pm on Wednesday, March 21, 2012
Does anyone remember the original question?
Jessica Renfro Ling
10:43 am on Thursday, March 22, 2012
Okay, these comments are kind of my whole case in point. No, I'm not *scared* of Christie's tone, but it's truly not appropriate to yell at your constituents, even if you vehemently disagree. Everyone, on both sides, really, REALLY needs to learn to breathe, take a step back and remain civil.
Pam
3:06 pm on Thursday, March 22, 2012
He is bullying people around. Interesting he vote against it and he is the first to do it and gets away with it.
RGJ
6:12 pm on Thursday, March 22, 2012
Christie is amazing at these events -- I have heard adamant foes say he won over the room. He lets every questioner speak their piece -- he does insist on then speaking his, probably a leftover from the courtroom.
So he does 1,000 hours of these and there are 4 minutes on YouTube of out-of-context confrontations with people that probably deserved it, came to disrupt and followed through.
Mike
1:26 am on Friday, March 30, 2012
Gordon, your governor is a bully, a want to be tough guy, and will stop at nothing to prove otherwise, he is a bafoon, and if you really watch him when he speaks, a slob. he has worked very hard his whole life to get were he is. Because he was bullied and laughed at his whole life. When police and fire have to respond to his address they will take the long way around. Unless he get private service like he does for his kids teachers.
Maurice Marvi
9:19 am on Friday, March 30, 2012
Mike
I dont care for Christie's tactics, and disagee with his poltical outlook. However, personal attacks are uncalled for, regardless of how incoherant they are.
He may be overweight, but does that make him a slob? Probably not. Now the old joke of having to take the long road around a fat man is also uncalled for.
Rick
9:49 am on Friday, March 30, 2012
I support Governor Christie. He only attacks when attacked.
I hear from my relative the mis-truths and FUD that the teacher's union spreads to their members to get them so emotional. If you have watched any of his meetings or listened to any of his "ask the Governor" call in shows, he is always very civil when people try to talk. But when special interests try to shout him down, he shouts back. Good for him.
MikeL
10:21 am on Friday, March 30, 2012
I'm wondering why Christie felt the need to insult him as publicly and needlessly as he did the other day (http://www.nj.com/news/index.ssf/2012/03/gov_christie_calls_sen_lautenb.html). I know these two aren't exactly the best of friends but isn't it enough already? Aren't we a little tired of this behavior, not just from Gov. Christie but from most of the politicians?
Roll Back Our Tax
3:33 am on Friday, April 20, 2012
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FreedomOfSpeech
9:19 am on Friday, April 20, 2012
The fact that you even posted this question is absurd. This is possibly the worst news reporting website ever constructed. The writing is literally god awful, consistantly filled with grammatical errors and spelling mistakes, not to mention the article choices are in poor taste and at times classless.
Maurice Marvi
9:49 am on Friday, April 20, 2012
We'll miss you.
Maybe,
Probably not.
Katrina
9:52 am on Friday, April 20, 2012
Does anyone find it odd that that many teachers pay for school supplies out of their own pockets yet, the NJEA spends millions of dollars in advertising against Chris Christie? It seems like there is an answer there. What could it be? What, oh what, could it be? Hmmm...
Maurice Marvi
11:00 am on Friday, April 20, 2012
Katrina
You think it's odd that teachers speak out about what they feel is right.
Do you think that teachers should just keep quiet about what they believe, and have no rights of expression? Then governor will release all the funding they need for supplies. Hmm.
Where does the NJEA get the money from? Hmmm. (The same place the teachers get their out of pocket supplies from.)
Independent thinkers teach independent thinkers. Lemmings teach lemmings. I sent my children to school to be independent thinkers, not lemmings.
HG
3:04 pm on Friday, April 20, 2012
Actually, Maurice, the NJEA takes money from teachers. It's not voluntarily given. It's similar to a tax. Even if teachers don't join the NJEA, they must pay dues, or they cannot have their job. Therefore, a statement that "teachers speak out about what they feel" should, more accurately, be "union leaders speak out about what they feel using other teacher's money".
Maurice Marvi
3:43 pm on Friday, April 20, 2012
HG, Thats what I said:
"Where does the NJEA get the money from? Hmmm. (The same place the teachers get their out of pocket supplies from.)"
Yes, you want to be a teacher in a public school you will be paying dues to the NJEA. You want the pay scale negotiated, you will be paying dues to the NJEA, You want the benefits negotiated:you will be paying dues to the NJEA.
If you want to be a teacher without paying NJEA dues, try a Private school. Negotiate your own pay, benefits, etcetera, or even better, try Wisconsin.
If you don't like the leaders, get active. They came from somewhere.
By the way, back to the Original question. I'm a father and a husband. It takes more than Chris Christie to scare me.
HG
5:46 pm on Friday, April 20, 2012
I have to pay some union in order to work in my profession? Sounds great for the union leaders. Doesn't sound so great for everyone else. I shouldn't have to "get active" to control what happens to my money. It shouldn't be taken from me in the first place.
sammy
3:28 pm on Friday, April 20, 2012
Simply put , enough is enough. NJEA is not interested in Children, unions are only interested in protecting the union and teachers. The Gov. echo's what most people feel , enough is enough.
Maurice Marvi
3:48 pm on Friday, April 20, 2012
The job of any union is the best interest of it's dues paying members. The one thing about teachers unions is that teachers, generally (there are always a few bad actors in any profession) have the best interests of their students in mind.
By looking after the teachers, the union is looking after our students
Bob Boyle
6:46 pm on Friday, April 20, 2012
While I agree with Maurice that a strong majority of teachers are dedicated, hard working individuals who do have the best interests of their students in mind, I do not belleive that is a function of whether they belong to a union or not. Rather, I see it as a function of the individual teacher and that is not something that comes from the union. In fact, I believe there was a quote from the head of the teachers union a couple of years ago to the effect that the only objective of the teachers union is to get the highest pay and benefits they can for thier union members which is consistent with the comment that the job of any union is the best interest of its dues paying members. I think the role of the unions with respect to the best interests of the students is further illustrated by the issues in New York City when the City wanted to keep the best teachers regardless of how long they worked while the union was only interested in laying off the most recently hired teachers (last in - first out). The dust up in New York over teacher ratings is another example of the union looking out for its members regardless of the impact on students. While there is some room for concern over fairness to the teachers in the matter of rating, the union is none-the-less only concerned with protecting the teachers, which is their job. Looking after our students primarily comes from the efforts of individual teachers and not the union.
Katrina
8:06 am on Saturday, April 21, 2012
@Bob Boyle: Well said.