patching...
Welcome back, Patch Blogger!

Teachers: If It’s Not Broke, Why Fix It?

Hundreds show support for the union at Tuesday’s board of education meeting.

 

Hundreds of teachers packed both the inside and outside of the Wade Administration Building Tuesday to show their support for each other and tell the board of education that they want a fair deal.

“In 2002, I felt appreciated and respected,” said Betsy Becker, a retiree who began teaching Latin at the Bridgewater-Raritan High School this year. “This year, I feel trod upon and no longer respected.”

The members of the Bridgewater-Raritan Education Association have been working without a contract since it expired in June 2011. After going though three mediation sessions, both parties have been advised to move into the fact-finding process.

Becker said she retired 10 years ago, and was a substitute for the past eight years. This year, she said, she returned to the high school as a Latin teacher.

“I have watched the demands on the teachers increase each year while morale has decreased proportionally,” she said. “I was overwhelmed by how different the teaching experience is.”

Many of the teachers spoke out at the meeting, emphasizing that they do not just work during the six hours of the school day. In fact, they said, they come in early, leave late and spend evenings and weekends grading papers and completing other work.

“For my first five years as a teacher, I worked nine- to 13-hour days,” said Crim Primary School teacher Avani Kotak. “Summers would come and I would spend weeks in the classroom getting ready for the kids.”

“Yet this year I can’t stay until 5 p.m., 6 p.m. or 7 p.m. because I have to work a second job because I’m scared of what’s to come," she added. “We’re asking you for what’s already there and what’s already ours. We’re taking care of students in the district, but who’s taking care of us?”

The teachers present discussed the accomplishments of the students in the district, from acing advanced placement and other standardized tests, to placing in national competitions and being named one of the best districts in the country.

“There are people who were elected to do for you what is best for you and your kids,” said Patrick Friedman, a science teacher at the high school. “What are you trying to fix, or is this a game?”

“For something that’s not broke, it should be real easy to keep it going,” he added. “If it’s not broke, don’t change it.”

Caroline Czysz, a teacher at Eisenhower Intermediate, said there was a time she was proud to be a part of the Bridgewater-Raritan Regional School District, and, as a graduate of the district herself, she took her cues on how to be teacher from those who taught her when she was a student.

“Because of the example set for me, I came to work in the district,” she said. “But now I doubt my faith and question my assumption that the district cares about the students.”

“The staff are stressed, the work loads are increased and we are asked to do more for less,” she added. “As a teacher, a resident and a parent, this scares me. You have surpassed the opportunity for giving the teachers a fair settlement, and we are already suffering economically, professionally and personally.”

Matthew Fleming, a teacher at the high school, said he moved to the township after hearing what the district has to offer, and four years ago he was offered a position to teach. He said the district has become what it is because of the dedication of the administration, teachers and parents—but that dedication is waning.

“We fully understand the economic times, and that you have a bottom line,” he said. “But if you look at the numbers, give-backs and health rates, the top of the guide would not change, and we could give teachers who have worked for eight years at less than $50,000 the chance to move up.”

“But we look at legal fees and missed savings in health benefits,” he added. “We look at how much you are willing to waste, and whatever the settlement ends up being, when you look at the total cost, it will far outweigh the 2.8 percent.”

Paul Kloberg, an engineer and physics teacher at the high school, said these negotiations cannot be about the numbers. He said he understands the numbers themselves, but what matters the most is communication.

“I ask that you simply communicate and try to figure out what this is all about,” he said. “My hope is that you can realize how privileged we all are to get to hang out with all these people right here.”

Diane Setcavage, a science teacher at the high school, said teaching is both the hardest and most rewarding job she has ever had, and she understands that not everyone can be pleased with the outcomes.

But, Setcavage said, she doesn’t understand why an agreement can’t be reached in such a well-respected and high-performing district.

“I am confused as to why the board of education is angry with the educators in the district, and why you want to punish us,” she said, adding that people in private industries receive merit pay increases based on the work they do. “We’re in the top 2.3 percent nationally for how well kids do on college boards and AP exams, our honors biology students are ranked two out of over 100 New Jersey high schools.”

“This doesn’t happen without dedication and hard work from all the teachers in the district,” she added. “I am challenging that the board of education do the right thing and be a good role model for the children.”

Keith Shapiro, an English teacher at the high school, said he felt respected when a board of education member shook his hand several years ago after he was able to report a student’s possible plan to bring a bomb to school because friends of the student felt comfortable talking to him.

“Unfortunately, I no longer feel the appreciation, but I know what it looks and feels like,” he said. “I am not asking for what I deserve, I am asking for what’s fair. I deserve feeling the appreciation you gave me the day you shook my hand.”

Aside from the teachers requesting the appreciation and respect from the district, several parents and former students came forward to speak on behalf of their teachers.

Evan Rallis, a 2011 graduate from the high school, said he is now a freshman at the University of Richmond and made it there because of the teachers. Diagnosed with Attention Deficit Disorder when he was younger, he spent his first two years of high school not caring about his grades.

That changed his junior year, Rallis said, and he graduated as an AP Scholar student, earning top scores on four out of five exams.

“I wanted to thanks all the teachers for everything they have done for me,” he said.

Resident Garrett Moore said he would think that the board of education and the teachers could work together to come to an agreement.

“It seems that in recent years, there’s been more of an adversarial attitude going on,” he said. “Indeed at the state level, there seems to be an attitude that looks down upon the teaching profession. I don’t understand that at all.”

“Education is the cornerstone of our society,” he added, “and if you slight our teachers, you are really doing us a great disservice.”

At the end of the meeting, the board voted on a resolution to change the dental and prescription plans, moving from Aetna to Delta Dental and from Aetna for prescriptions to Horizon Blue Cross Blue Shield.

Business administrator Peter Starrs said the dental plan with Aetna would increase 7 percent, but Delta Dental only increases by 5.5 percent.

“We’re going to provide equal or better coverage for dental and prescription for less money,” said board of education president Evan Lerner.

But many of the teachers were dismayed that this change was being made away from the bargaining table, as part of the issue in negotiations has been over health insurance.

“That money is what we are talking about in the package,” said Steve Beatty, B-REA president and social studies teacher at the high school. “You are coming back and saying you are making a change, when we said not to change it in the first place two years ago, and now you’re changing it back.”

“You are taking pieces out [of the bargaining], and being disrespectful to these people here and to the community,” he added. “Don’t do this, come to the table and make the deal there.”

But with one abstention from board member Jeffrey Brookner and a no vote from member Daniel Petrozelli, the resolution to change dental and prescription insurance passed.

“I heard what the teachers have been saying and I definitely value what they are saying, and I know everyone works hard,” said board member Cindy Cullen. “I would like to negotiate, but as the clock ticks, the district is losing more and more money.”

Overall, the message from the teachers was that they want to be respected, and that was proven through the hundreds of people wearing red in support of them.

“We are already doing more with less, and now you are asking us to do more with less for less,” Czysz said. “You can’t expect blue ribbon success with a Walmart mentality.”

Related Topics: Board of Education, Bridgewater-Raritan Education Association, and Negotiations

BRRES

5:46 am on Wednesday, April 25, 2012

Go teachers, as a bridgewater resident, we're behind you 100%. What the BOE is doing is simply unfair. Keep your heads up.

Reply
Comment_arrow

BRRES

11:12 am on Wednesday, April 25, 2012

jerzdvl25: Sounds like a plan, the BOE was elected to represent us and they obviously only have a personal vendetta against the union and no regard for what is best for the children. Vote them all OUT!

Comment_arrow

Fred H.

3:24 pm on Wednesday, April 25, 2012

It was a difficult to hear at times at the meeting last night. I thought I heard Mr Lerner respond to one of the speakers by saying (not verbatim) “I’ll try to explain it again in English”. Can someone who was in attendance last night confirm that or correct me please.

Comment_arrow

JG

7:35 pm on Wednesday, April 25, 2012

Yes, Fred H., that was basically (although not verbatim) Mr. Lerner's rather rude and offensive comment after summarizing the board's proposal when he was told that the public couldn't hear (possibly intentional on the boards part?). The irony is that it was a teacher of world languages (and a native English speaker) that asked the board to speak louder. Public meetings should have an adequate sound system.

Comment_arrow

Alex Balise

8:05 pm on Thursday, April 26, 2012

I agree, lets vote out the members of the BOE

Comment_arrow

Mike

12:01 pm on Sunday, April 29, 2012

If Lerner did indeed say that to a citizen, we can thank Chris "take a bat to her!" "none of your business!" "numb-nuts!" Christie for setting a fine, conservative example.

Jason Schiff

6:06 am on Wednesday, April 25, 2012

This goes to show you how badly Christie has beaten up the unions (and public perception of teachers) in his tenure. This would not have happened a few years ago...would have been unheard of. The problem is that none of it has led to tax cuts (or even tax stabilization) as promised. And yes...all of us in the private sector pay into health insurance and understand it costs money. But isn't the district wasting money on the lawyer they hired? Seems like Cindy needs to make sure she's cutting all loses and not just specific ones. Teachers in one of the best districts in NJ (and the country) should not be treated like this.

Reply
Comment_arrow

BRRES

7:13 am on Wednesday, April 25, 2012

Jason,

I agree, Chris Christie has done nothing but beat up the public employees of the state. This BOE has jumped on board and other that the miniscule $50 ish dollars I have received, in returns, my taxes have yet to go down. Morale is down and its time for the board to do what right and negotiate a fair settlement with the teachers. From what I am hearing a 2.85% the teachers union is requesting will not not impact the budget. It is already money the union members are giving back because of Christie and the distrct will be saving with 'enforced' benefit changes. How much money has the BOE wasted by hiring a lawyer to negotiate and not swithching to the state benefits last July 1 when the teachers said they would change (if negotiated)? It is time for the board to do what is right, negotiate AND settle.

Melissa Ferrao

6:19 am on Wednesday, April 25, 2012

For those teachers who spoke on the behalf of myself and other teachers, thank you. Your words were moving and they were heard by all. The teachers tonight were strong, poised, and passionate. I hope that the board decides to start respecting teachers, do what is right and talk person to person with the teachers and settle this contract. One board member mentioned that the residents do NOT want our taxes to go up in order to pay teachers. As a teacher AND a resident, they will not. The 2.85 percent that the teachers are asking for does NOT come out of the taxpayers dollars. This 2.85 percent is the minimum to move the teachers on the scale without increasing the amount of any step. Meanwhile the board gave the Superintendent and some administrators a raise of 2.00-3.75 percent yearly for a guaranteed four years. This is unfair. The money is already there in the budget. Give the teachers what they deserve and settle respectfully.

Reply
Comment_arrow

Fred

7:41 am on Wednesday, April 25, 2012

Just where do you think the money come from? The Tooth Fairy? Time for teachers to come down to reality, we don't have the money to give. We the taxpayers have been going without raises, taking salary cuts and dealing with increasing expenses in our healthcare too. The current economy does not support the raises that you desire. Hold to you guns Board, the taxpayers applaude you! Go Christe, keep the pressure on to bring tax reform to the State.

Comment_arrow

Ladymb

8:38 am on Wednesday, April 25, 2012

Fred:
No one is asking you, as a taxpayer, to give more money. In fact,the teachers have given back money and the boe has received more money. Teacher raises would not increase taxes. I'm not sure why that point is so unclear to you.

Comment_arrow

Fred

2:31 pm on Wednesday, April 25, 2012

Ladymb,
Please then explain where the money comes from that supply the funds for the education system. Last time I looked the supply money for education funds from all levels of government come from the taxpayers through taxes and fees. If the teachers want more money then we the taxpayers have to pay more. Not your imaginary fund of everflowing money from space.
Or are you suggesting we cut back on funds spent for building upkeep, electric, heating, books, etc. to give the money to you.

Comment_arrow

Katherine

5:31 pm on Wednesday, April 25, 2012

Fred,
Ladymb has very clearly stated that your taxes will not be effected by a settlement. One thing you have to understnd is that the amount of money being asked by the union is not unreasonable and the teachers at the top of the guide will receive no raise. Also, I very clearly remember when I began teaching in the 1980s (the economy was excellent), those that worked in the private sector stated that teachers could not compare themselves with those in business when we were negotiating our contract and wanted a fair settlement at that time. However, nnow I am suppose to understand that just because the economy is not great, I need to give up everything I have worked for.

Comment_arrow

teachB-R

7:53 pm on Wednesday, April 25, 2012

Christie has approved an annual 2% tax increase cap. Stating, essentially, that a fair increase in property taxes is that 2% or less without question or public vote. This board of education already has set their budget with a 1% increase in property taxes (All tax payers were just saved that other 1% compounded annually, you're welcome).

With the planned budget and the 1% increase, the board of education ALREADY has enough money set aside to not only meet the teachers requested 2.85% increase in salary allotment, but could easily afford a 4% increase.

So you should be asking, What are they doing with the money? They've already got it and they aren't using it!

When Christie came into office, he saw schools were hoarding money in this fashion, came in, and took MILLIONS forcing school cuts; and thus began the dismantling of our school system.

So speak out.... If the school board already has that money, where would you like it to be spent? Hopefully you think it's fair to spend a fraction of that money on the individuals which provide the education of our youth.

Comment_arrow

Fred

1:48 pm on Thursday, April 26, 2012

Katherine,

Just where does Ladymb stae this in detail. Apparently I am to take her whatever she says as gospel and of course if the BREA/NJEA says it then it has to be true?
Teach BR,
A 1% increase is an increase in taxes. Stop the bul lwith the 1% savings since it didn't go up 2%. Now, if we increase the already generous raise proposal give by the board then we either raise taxes now or take the $'s from something else in the budget? If the later is done then next year taxes will increase additionally to fund what you unfunded this year. Bottom line another increase in taxes to the residents of B'wtr. We cannot afford it and the increase proposed is a generous one in the current economy.
Tell you what. Why don't you go back to your union and tell them to lower your dues,then all teachers can have an increase in thier income and leave the taxpayers alone.

Comment_arrow

Ladymb

2:48 pm on Thursday, April 26, 2012

Fred:
The money will come from the give-backs the teachers have given, not from your property taxes. In addition, the district received additional state aid. The assumptions you are making are not being supported by facts. In addtion, the boe decided to raise the taxes only1%, not up to the 2% cap and still the money is there for the teachers. The teachers have not complained about the additional money they need to pay into the health care or pensions; there is nothing they can do to remedy those situations. This will mean that most teachers will not bring home last year's amount for about 10 years. They are not asking for an increase that will completely offset that number. From the 2011-2012 school year through the 2013-2014 school year, the district will make $10.4 million from teacher/staff pay and health benefits. With the 2.85% increse the BREA is asking for, the boe will still profit $6 million.

...and that's without the tooth fairy or overflowing money from space.

Comment_arrow

Alex Balise

8:11 pm on Thursday, April 26, 2012

Hey Fred,
you need to educate yourself before you make comments on-line. The District has $ that they received the the state, almost 9 million this past year. On top of that the District will receive $10.4 Million from the fall of 2011-spring of 2014 (this money comes from switching health care and the employees paying into their health care)

Do the math:
Almost $20 Million in revenue for the District in 4 years and the taxpayers are not paying anything (no tax $). Not a bad deal if you ask me.

EDUCATE YOURSELF!! like the rest of us!!

Comment_arrow

Toni

8:53 pm on Friday, April 27, 2012

Fred, you are so concerned about how your tax dollars are spent. How many board meetings do you attend?

Ken Villani

7:42 am on Wednesday, April 25, 2012

It took me moving away from Bridgewater to another town in NJ to appreciate what we received for our tax money. It took me working in twenty-five schools in Plainfield, Elizabeth, and Linden to appreciate what we took for granted in the B-R school system. It took me a few minutes to read the reports of what the BOE is doing in B-R to realize that the harmony and teamwork many of us worked for decades to cultivate has eroded drastically. Sad. So sad.

Reply
Comment_arrow

Mike

12:06 pm on Saturday, May 19, 2012

It takes such experience to afford the perspective necessary to see the big picture. Cretins like Christie who have never stepped foot in less than a top-notch school (without a security detail and carefully staged classes to visit) have no clue what really goes on, and neither do many residents.

Metoo

7:51 am on Wednesday, April 25, 2012

Yes Ken, we're nearing the tipping point here in BR. This BOE, this Governor are going to break what was once a very good school system. Unfortunately, we'll be able to look back and say, you had it, you broke it. It will be left up to others down the road to fix it, sad to watch it happen.

Reply
Comment_arrow

Mike

12:07 pm on Saturday, May 19, 2012

It takes years or even decades to rebuild what can be broken by the stroke of a pen.

bridgewaterresident2

8:12 am on Wednesday, April 25, 2012

n the real world, you are just told in November, "Your plans are changing. It will cost you more and you will get less" and in January you get a new cards. There's no mid-April warning that the cards are changing but you will have the same level of coverage - that was a good one.

In the real world, employees don't stand up and complain about 9-13 hour days, but then have the ability to cut those days hour days down to 7 hour days because they got a side job! That was a great quote too. I love The Patch!

in the real world you openly complain about the pending 2.3, 2.8% or 3.0+ guaranteed raise you are going to get. No, If you were the best employee in your division - say all of Van Holten School - you would be looking for a 3% raise because what you did was extraordinary and better than every other teacher in that building.
All the average teachers would get a 1.8%. The bottom 20% performers would get a 0% raise. They'd probably know it was coming because they had a mid-year written an oral review that said you are headed for 0%. (ps this is probably the type of employee that works 7 hour days). Probably the bottom 5% performers would just be laid off. Imagine if this "division" or Van Holten School could just eliminate a teacher that was performing poorly and be allowed to openly interview, attract and retain a potentially great teacher.

Gosh, can't you just negotiate in private? That how they do it in the real world.

Reply
Comment_arrow

Ladymb

8:43 am on Wednesday, April 25, 2012

bridgewaterresident2:
Were you at the meeting? If you had been, you would see no one was complaining about the hours the teachers put in; they were simply stating facts. I don't understand why you think teachers do not live in "the real world." We're struggling along with everyone else. The difference between us and "the real world" is that we continue to put the kids before everything else in our lives. In corporate America, the me first attitude is the one that helps people get ahead. Teachers don't think that way. Maybe that's a weakness, but it's one that benefits the students, the community and your property value. The teachers aren't asking for more than what's fair. They're not whining and complaining; they're stating facts.

Comment_arrow

Kids First

5:57 pm on Thursday, April 26, 2012

How many occupations in "the real world" encourage and inspire the next generation to be the best they can be?

In which occupation do you get the chance to help a child in crisis and make a difference in their lives?

Who do we untrust our children to for at least 6 hours a day, 5 days a week?

You're right, bridgewaterresident2, teachers do not live in the real world. They are in the front lines, fighting to make the real world a better place. Even in Bridgewater NJ.

Comment_arrow

Kids First

6:07 pm on Thursday, April 26, 2012

The bottom line is that this is the process… and yes, it is public. Everything about public education is public. So until legislation dictates otherwise, the BREA and BOE must negotiate a fair contract.

Comment_arrow

Kids First

6:07 pm on Thursday, April 26, 2012

Some things to think about...
>When the state reduced school funding to the district two years ago, the members of the BREA voluntarily reopened their contract to giveback $1.6 million dollars in concessions.
>Over one year ago, the BREA offered to switch from a private carrier to the School Employees’ Health Benefits program which would have saved approximately $1 million per year; the BOE refused. Now the Board has voted to impose a change in dental and prescription benefits without bargaining. This not only shows a blatant disregard for the process; it is against the law.
>The BREA has proposed a 2.85% salary increase; the BOE has refused this offer. This is the minimum percent needed to move teachers and staff up one step on the salary guide without increasing the dollar amount of any step. This does not mean that everyone will be earning 2.85% more. Raise amounts are based on where you are on the salary guide. The current salary guide (which is still 2010-2011) can be found on the district website.
>The BOE provided the superintendent and other top administrators guaranteed raises of 2-3.75% per year EACH for the next four years. In fact, the superintendent’s current salary exceeds the governor’s imposed cap by more than $30,000.

DelawareDr

10:25 am on Wednesday, April 25, 2012

I agree we have phenomenal teachers in Bridgewater, and I thank you for all of the great work. The frustration you hear from private sector workers is not aimed at you, but rather your support of an antiquated and unaffordable system of tenure and pensions. If you were able to break free from that albatross, you'd find a general population willing to whatever it takes to give their kids the best advantage possible, and willing to pay significantly more for the best teachers.

Reply
Comment_arrow

Concerned Citizen

2:14 pm on Wednesday, April 25, 2012

Many teachers would love to not have to hand over 6.5% of their paycheck to the state, while the state is refusing to contribute it's legally mandated share. All the BR teachers are looking for is fairness. For teachers to be shelling out up to 10% of their paycheck to medical expenses, on top of the 6.5% for pensions, it makes it tough to make ends meet with what is left over. Yes, others are suffering, but I'm not sure why that is a valid argument for wanting teachers to suffer too. Shouldn't we value the folks who educate our children, and nuture them daily. We desperately need a change of guard on the BOE.

Comment_arrow

Fred H.

3:22 pm on Wednesday, April 25, 2012

That's strange, I don't recall seeing any comments telling the antiquated and unaffordable system of tenure and pensions that it is greedy, not living in the real world and complaining. Just the teachers. I'm sure the teachers would be willing discuss options for resolving the issues if some were proposed But the BOE took their ball and went home, leaving an attorney to do their talkng at $160 per hour. Mr. Lerner , fire the attorney and come to the table.

Comment_arrow

Katherine

5:47 pm on Wednesday, April 25, 2012

DelawareDr,
This blog is not about tenure or pension. However, since you mentioned it, understand that many teachers do not have trouble with tenure reform. The historical reason for tenure was to prevent any new board coming into a school district and firing a teacher to give someone they were doing a "political favor", a job. I don't believe that to be an antiquated idea.

Comment_arrow

cdb

7:01 pm on Wednesday, April 25, 2012

To DelawareDr
Do you know why teachers have tenure and pensions? Do you know why the pension system is underfunded? No one seems to remember that the state has been using the fund and not returning or adding money back into the system. Tenure and Pensions have been worked for and are warranted. They make for a stable and quality educational system. Yes, there are problems and abuses, but what is wrong with supporting a system that has provided a great education to many generations? Why wouldn't you want to continue making sure that teachers are supported and their retirement taken care of? This politically expedient idea that the educational system is broken and that we should dismantle good and useful policies comes from politicians who have had their hands in the cookie jar too often and like to pass the blame along to someone else. Why wouldn't you want to support a good educational system? Besides, just because something is old doesn't mean it is "antiquated" and useless.

Concerned Citizen

10:33 am on Wednesday, April 25, 2012

To Fred - the Board of Ed had a $10.6 million surplus this year. Guess how much they returned to the taxpayers - $600,000. Did you bother to ask what they did with the other $10 million. It sure didn't go to teachers. Though the superintendent got 3.75% a year for four years. And he makes over $200K. The reality is teacher will be taking home less and less money every year for the foreseeable future, EVEN IF they get raises. Projected raises for next year would be $1.4 million in a $128 million budget. Teachers will be giving $5 million back to the board for health care. Doesn't take a genius to figure out the teachers are the big losers. And where will that money go? The BOE conveniently took away your right to vote on the budget by moving elections to November, so who knows? It's time for people to realize we are no longer a Blue Ribbon District - we have not been since 1999. And with the current board's ant-teacher stance, it will take many years before we even approach any such success as a district. The ones I feel most sorry for are the kids, mine included.

Reply
Comment_arrow

BwaterDad

12:23 pm on Wednesday, April 25, 2012

Concerned, what is your source for that "$10.6 million surplus this year"?

Comment_arrow

Concerned Citizen

2:19 pm on Wednesday, April 25, 2012

Comment to BwaterDad - the district got extra unexpected state aid, and the teachers are contributing more to health care premiums this year, and there were additional savings because when senior teachers retired the district hired inexperienced teachers at much lower salaries. If you click on the budget tab on the BRRSD website, you can find the details. It takes some searching but it's all there. Or you can ask the board of ed directly via email or phone call. They do not advertise the fact that they have the money, or what they are doing with it. But I believe they would be obligated to respond if you ask the question at a public meeting.

Comment_arrow

BwaterDad

3:15 pm on Wednesday, April 25, 2012

Well, I have seen that 10.x million figure, and I just wanted to make sure you are talking about the same thing, and evidently you are. First of all, it isn't all "this year," there was one piece of "unexpected state aid" for this current school year's budget and another for next year's (the budget the board adopted in March.) Second of all, it isn't surplus if it's already been spent, and as I understand it, the "unexpected state aid" has been spent, partly on hiring new teachers to reduce class sizes, partly on other instructional improvements, partly on capital reserve to keep the buildings functioning, and partly on tax relief (more than $1M in tax relief, counting both years.) Other than the "unexpected state aid", I can't personally account for it, but I am sure the administration can. Did anyone ask them about it last night? I suspect most of it is NOT in surplus, it was spent to keep the district operating.

Comment_arrow

BwaterDad

3:17 pm on Wednesday, April 25, 2012

For some reason my reply appears above the comment I was replying to. Obviously this is one more bit of "tech" I need to learn how to do correctly.

glenn

10:44 am on Wednesday, April 25, 2012

The problem with the "real world" I keep hearing about is that the VAST majority of teachers have never experienced it first hand. I'm sick and tired of teachers crying a river. As an ex-Science teacher and Bridgewater life-long resident, the teachers really don't know how well off they are. Spend a few weeks teaching in Irvington, Elizabeth, Paterson and then come and complain to me with a straight face. As for the long days, you work 180 +/-. Hours vary, and don;t tell me you work 9-13 hours daily. I had more than my share of short days, a pile of sick-days, in-service days. My average day was 8-9. In private industry ( Medical devices) I am on call 24-7. I have not a completed family vacation in 9 years. I am routinely up until 2AM doing paperwork, then in an OR suite at 7. The quality of my weekends depends solely on whether one of the assigned MD's is called in to do a trauma surgery or not. I make about 1/2 of what I made 6 years ago, and I work more for it. My pay depends on what the insurance companies feel liekpaying. I have NO say. You at least have a voice and a Union. You want 2.8% this year adn raises for 2 more years consecutively? Get real. The REAL WORLD is giving concessions that make yours pale by comparison.

Reply
Comment_arrow

Fred H.

12:54 pm on Wednesday, April 25, 2012

Very alarming numbers when there is no context. How often are you contacted outside of normal business hours? What is "routinely"? 3 days every week? 2 days per month? Was your job the only thing that has impacted vacation for the last 9 years? How frequently is an MD called in for surgery on weekends? What is your role in the surgery? Are you running the device in the OR or watching from the sidelines? Making 1/2 of what you did 6 years ago. How much was that 6 years ago and how much is it now? Did you have to get on a bread line or just sell the convertible?

Comment_arrow

teachB-R

8:10 pm on Wednesday, April 25, 2012

It would be interesting to hear what you think is a "fair" salary for a teacher at these times.

Furthermore, you should be concerned about how not only are you making less, but due to the sentiment of these negotiations: Bridgewater-Raritan will have a difficult time attracting the quality of educators that it has been accustomed, Families will no longer find value in the school system of Bridgewater, and the VALUE of your property will drop tremendously. Then you can continue to whine about how bad you have it.

The 2.85% pay increase will NOT be a raise to most teachers. It will allow all (except for those at the top of the salary guide) to move up one step gaining credit for time served. With increased contributions to health benefits and now illegally imposed changes to health, dental, and prescriptions, teachers are and will continue to take home much less. With these numbers and tax caps set in place, it may take up to 10 years for some teachers to see a raise in take home pay.

Comment_arrow

NJ Teacher

10:56 pm on Wednesday, April 25, 2012

I'd like to know how much money you make Glenn. Not that I really care, because I don't, but if you make 1/2 of what you made 6 years ago, you must be making some good coin, because for most teachers, if they made 1/2 today of what they made six years ago, they'd be making about $30,000. I know you don't make that little, not in medical devices. Not to mention your bonus which I would almost bet is about what teachers make. Get off your self righteous soap box and stop texting your replies while driving your new BMW 5 series.

Comment_arrow

Alex Balise

8:29 pm on Thursday, April 26, 2012

Hey Glenn

Did you work in all 3 of those districts??? that you mentioned

glenn

10:45 am on Wednesday, April 25, 2012

PART II.
Major companies here in Somerset cty. are outsourcing hundreds of positions. This si the price we pay for soaring benefits and pay due toa soaring economy. Time for a reality check. I see your medical plans in detail. I have treated a few of you. I wish mine were as good. As for the taxes...don't Christie bash. Like him or not, our State tax system was bankrupt, and a teacher should be able to understand the concept. You can not spend what you do not have unless you borrow and pay even more tomorrow. He has addressed major problems and told us the truth. What a concept. The truth. As for the property tax...I do know this: My taxes have decreased 3 straight years with no appeal. Stopping the upward curve pays even bigger dividends down the road when I sell or when rates do rise, it will be on a smaller valuation.

Reply
Comment_arrow

Katherine

7:37 pm on Thursday, April 26, 2012

NJ may not have been in such bad shape if CTWhitman had not take money from the pension system. It was supose to be repayed, but hasn't. I am paying into the pension system, but the state has not, It has been many years since the state has kept their legal obligation. I don't understand why the mismanagement of others is up to educators to fix. I think that some people are just angry in general and the teachers seem to be great scapegoats.

glenn

10:47 am on Wednesday, April 25, 2012

PART III
Thank you BOE and Somerset Cty and Gov. Christie for making some hard choices. I was here and affected by the big strike of the late 70's. Please don't embarrass yourselves lke that again. It was hard looking at all of you with a straight face the day after you picketed in the parking lots like clowns. Professionals do not picket. Time to put on your big boy and big girl pants and suck it up like the rest of us have for the last 4 or 5 years. Here's a real world fact: If we don't like our jobs anymore, or become unhappy with the pay, then our option is this: LEAVE. I suggest those of you truly unhappy with your present deal to do so. Please. You are SO replaceable. There are thousands of good teachers who would gladly take a pay CUT to work here in Bridgewater and be able to skip the metal detectors every morning. We can start with my Daughter's HS Science "Teacher" who spent 3 days in class teaching his pet theory that the Moon Landings were a Gov't fraud, that 9-11 was a hoax. Yep, this is opne of our "Professionals"...let's start there. Time to go.

Reply
Comment_arrow

BRRES

11:09 am on Wednesday, April 25, 2012

Glenn, I am not sure why you left teaching if you think teachers have it made. Quoting you in part I, "I am on call 24-7. I have not a completed family vacation in 9 years. I am routinely up until 2AM doing paperwork, then in an OR suite at 7." for "half the pay", WOW, you're CRAZY. I'm not a teacher, nor could I be, I simply don't have the patience for children day in and day out. Maybe that's why you left teaching???

Comment_arrow

Jason Schiff

2:18 pm on Wednesday, April 25, 2012

Glenn - I agree with BRRES...I am baffled why you would leave the teaching profession if teachers are compensated above and beyond what they deserve.

Comment_arrow

Concerned Citizen

2:23 pm on Wednesday, April 25, 2012

It's not a matter of teach in the inner city or teach here and shut up. It's a simple matter of respect. And by the way inner city teachers make a whole heck of a lot more than folks in the suburbs like BR because those districts are heavily subsidized by the state. Even Edison teachers with the same years of experience make about $10K a year more than BR teachers. Stop ranting about something you know so little about and do your homework to get the facts.

Comment_arrow

NJ Teacher

10:57 pm on Wednesday, April 25, 2012

'd like to know how much money you make Glenn. Not that I really care, because I don't, but if you make 1/2 of what you made 6 years ago, you must be making some good coin, because for most teachers, if they made 1/2 today of what they made six years ago, they'd be making about $30,000. I know you don't make that little, not in medical devices. Not to mention your bonus which I would almost bet is about what teachers make. Get off your self righteous soap box and stop texting your replies while driving your new BMW 5 series.

Comment_arrow

Katherine

7:51 pm on Thursday, April 26, 2012

Glenn, if you would really like to make a reasonable comment/point, I think you need to use more educated vocabulary. I have a hard time taking your comment seriously when you just seem to be using teminology meant to embarrass and I think that is more embarrassing for you, You are entitled to your opinion, but if you would like anyone to truly understand your point of view, you need to present things in a more mature manor. I am not embarrassed that we picketed. Not everyone knew that we didn't have a contract. It is a way of communicating what is going on. As far as being replaceable: anyone can be replaced. However, you can't replace the relationships built with people and that is a major part of the job.

Bridgewatermother

11:15 am on Wednesday, April 25, 2012

Glenn,
In all fairness, can you disclose your actual salary? It's easy to afford big boy pants when you're in the six figures.

Reply

Metoo

11:17 am on Wednesday, April 25, 2012

glenn, what was income over the last 4 years? What was the gross and what was the net? Let's see if we can compare apples to apples.
Name the science teacher! If my sons science teacher did what you say, I'd be meeting with his supervisor post-haste, have you?

Reply

Metoo

11:24 am on Wednesday, April 25, 2012

glenn, I've explained this many times to people, but they don't seem to understand it. I'll say it yet again. NJ schools spend plenty per pupil. Where that money comes from and how it is dispersed is the problem. NJ is 48th in state support of schools. While elite wealthy districts in other States might get, say 30% funding from their state, the same district in NJ might get 0-10%. While NJ's cities get 80%...this is a fairly common practice nationwide for low income citiies. Your property taxes are high because your system requires schools to be funded directly at the local level, mostly from you. If it were funded by the state, the states varied revenue sources would come into play and less burden would be on you. Want lower property taxes? Start demanding that NJ becomes 25th in the nation for state support of public schools rather than 48th. Until then, don't complain about your property taxes while your schools receive 0-15% funding. Look up your district on the state report card and see how much your school dist. gets. Hint, it's below 12%

Reply

Fred H.

12:26 pm on Wednesday, April 25, 2012

I am truly amazed by the negative attitudes and comments that have been launched at the educators here in Bridgewater. First and foremost, these are the people that educate our children, recognize their potential, open their minds, make them feel good about themselves and lead them to knowledge and understanding so they realize that they can become whatever they want later in life. Doesn’t that mean anything to anyone anymore! They don’t do this for recognition or money like the corporate world. They do it because they love the children and they love to teach. If they all did it for the money there would be a lot less teachers in the world. My father was a teacher for 45 years and he still runs into former students from 30 or 40 years ago that recognizes him and say hello to him. Who of those here in the corporate world that is bashing the teachers wants to talk to or even remembers their boss of 10 or 20 years ago? Wake up!!! These are the people that mold our children’s minds and make a lifelong impression on them.

Reply

Fred H.

12:27 pm on Wednesday, April 25, 2012

Teachers are not asking for corporate-like compensation. They are asking for fair compensation. Yes, healthcare costs are rising everywhere and nobody is immune to that but it is unfair to compare them to corporate. I am in corporate and I can tell you that teachers are not paid on a corporate scale, it can and is significantly less. I have employees that earn 2-3 times what a teacher makes. So when benefits costs go up it’s a lot easier for the $100-150k employee to absorb it than it is for the $50-60K employee. Especially when the cost increase is levied on a frozen salary. Swallowing that pill becomes even more difficult when the administrators, superintendents, etc. who are earning six figure salaries are awarded increases when the teachers are told no. If anyone wants to continue using the corporate comparison then consider this – my salary has been frozen many times and when the pool of money is very shallow it is given to the LOWER paid employees. We do not pay the higher salaried employees. It went to the workforce not the managers. Why is that not the case in the BOE?

Reply
Comment_arrow

Taylor

12:53 pm on Wednesday, April 25, 2012

Well said...take a look at some of the salaries of those retiring this year. If they were in the corporate world, they would have been making far more. Granted it is their choice, but that is the point. They have made this choice becasue they love what they do. It must be very difficult for them to watch the board give raises to those making the most money, while being told they will not be given one. How are they supposed to feel? Certainly not respected...

Comment_arrow

Concerned Citizen

2:24 pm on Wednesday, April 25, 2012

Wouldn't it be nice if the lowest paid were treated at least as fairly as the highest paid? Not happening with this contentious BOE determined to break the union.

Comment_arrow

Kids First

7:06 pm on Thursday, April 26, 2012

Well said, Fred H.

Something for BR taxpayers to think about... Teachers & staff will be paying millions toward health care, and the BOE has proposed a fraction of that in salary increments. Residents may not have a say in how the savings will be spent. In February 2012, the BOE voted 5-3 to adopt bill A4394 which allows school board elections to be moved to November. With the move, the budget will not be on the ballot as long as it stays under the 2% state-mandated cap.

Fred H.

12:27 pm on Wednesday, April 25, 2012

Do not misinterpret what I am saying here. The system is not perfect. It definitely has issues and is in need of repair. There must be a system of meritocracy implemented that clearly identifies performers and slackers in every area and role, not just the teachers. It should provide a mechanism for feedback on everyone. It must provide a process to weed out those teachers/supervisors/administrators that do the bare minimum and hide behind tenure. But this is a two-way street. The administrators, superintendents, etc. have to own up to their responsibility and do their job. They need to get out of their office and into the classroom, monitor the teachers and have the tough conversations when needed. In corporate I have to tell people when they are underperforming so either they can improve or I can replace them. Until that is done though, the entire teacher population in the schools right now cannot be blamed or sacrificed because of a broken system, years of unaddressed neglect and the arrogance and self-important attitude of some at the top.

Reply

Fred H.

12:27 pm on Wednesday, April 25, 2012

There are three professions in my opinion that need to be appreciated, respected and valued above all others – police officer, firefighter and teachers. Police officers, firefighters and teachers are willing to do what very few others can or will. Who here wants to spend 7 hours a day with 20+ children, some with learning difficulties, and countless hours outside of school just to be able to see the child’s face when the new lesson makes sense to them or when they realize they can do something new? Who else wants to be an educator, a guidance counselor and a therapist all in one for these 20+ children five days a week? Think about that for a bit then tell me that 2.8% or $1500-1700 is too much to give a teacher to do things you don’t want to do.

Reply

DelawareDr

1:09 pm on Wednesday, April 25, 2012

Fred H - find anyone that wants to work for 45 years before they can afford to retire (if they ever can retire). Find anyone that wants to work 60+ hrs a week almost every week (only 10-20 hrs per week on vacation weeks). Find anyone willing to sign up for doing a great job, but still being fired. Find anyone that wants to spend hrs and hrs a week, every week, on conference calls, get hundreds of urgent emails, gets regularly yelled at by disgruntled customers....trying to say that one job is harder than the next is useless and wrong. The biggest issue is that until teachers move away from their union, they will be treated as a collective group. We do need to fix the system, and it should start with breaking the union. It is an antiquated organization that is holding teachers back. As long as teachers have the Union represent them, they will have to deal with the frustrations of the general population with 1) tenure and 2) on the ever increasing debt burden tied to pensions/benefits

Reply
Comment_arrow

Fred H.

1:32 pm on Wednesday, April 25, 2012

DelawareDr - not sure if your comment "trying to say that one job is harder than the next is useless and wrong" is directed at me but I never said one job was harder than the next. I've done all of the things you said - the e-mails, the conference calls, the getting yelled at. I've worked 36+ hours straight and slept on my office floor because of hurricanes, snowstorms, blackouts and terrorist attacks. Every job has it's hardships. But most jobs have peaks and valleys. Those 20+ children are showing up everyday, don't discount that. I did say the system needed to be fixed. It lumps all the teachers together, hindering the good ones and protecting the bad ones. That's the case with any union, not just the teachers. Changes have to be made and they need to be made through cooperation and common sense. However, your comment of "breaking the union" propogates the combative attitude that exists today and conjurs up images of Jimmy Hoffa and the Teamsters going to battle with the corporations and police

Comment_arrow

Jason Schiff

2:25 pm on Wednesday, April 25, 2012

DelawareDr - I'm really annoyed by the "break the union" comment. If unions are the reason the economy is in the condition it's in, we should break ALL unions (not just teachers). Lets go after the Actor's Guild. And the Player's Associations for all major sports (after all, being able to have sports on cable television is a reason cable bills are as high as they are). Whenever there's a contract dispute that involves our sports industry, we tend to side with the players over the owners. Here is a perfect scenario where the owners (Dr. Schilder, for example) make over $100,000/year. Teachers (players) make half that. It's sad that we value our entertainment over our education.

Comment_arrow

Fred H.

3:03 pm on Wednesday, April 25, 2012

DelawareDr – Before you light the torches and hand out the pitch forks to beat down those greedy teachers and break the union, there are five states where the teachers union was outlawed. Here are their rankings based on SAT/ACT scores:
• South Carolina – 50th
• North Carolina– 49th
• Georgia – 48th
• Texas – 47th
• Virginia – 44th

Do you to shoot for 45th or 46th?

Comment_arrow

Katherine

8:17 pm on Thursday, April 26, 2012

DelawareDr,
You need to remember that every teacher IS the union. Reform may be needed but it isn't antiquated (read my earlier comment). If you are so miserable in your job, why don't you spend your time trying to reform it's practices instead of beating up on mine. Just like you and everyone else, I would like to be treated with respect. This is more about that than anything. Many teachers like myself will receive no raise even if the board decides to treat us fairly and settle. My step will get nothing based on what my union is asking for. You do understand how teacher's salary guides work?

Metoo

1:14 pm on Wednesday, April 25, 2012

Fix what? What was/is broken in BR? The similar district comparisons stand up well.

Reply

DelawareDr

1:55 pm on Wednesday, April 25, 2012

Fred H - I'm not discounting any job - just first getting to a level playing field. If breaking up the union conjures up images of Jimmy Hoffa for you, so be it.....no different than "20+ children are showing up everyday" tries to create an image that a teacher's job is harder. I'm simply stating that teachers need to appreciate that as long as they have the union represent them, they need to deal with the way the unions are perceived amongst many in the population.

Reply
Comment_arrow

Fred H.

2:57 pm on Wednesday, April 25, 2012

You've missed the point completely. It's not about harder. It's about consistency. My point was that not every day of the week is the same in every job. I don't have to sleep on the floor because we don't have a hurricane every day. A doctor may not have the same number of emergencies every day. A firefighter may not have the same number of calls. But every day of the week that teacher has those 20+ kids showing up, papers to correct and lesson plans to write. They don't have a "light" day. They don't have a door to close to keep the world at bay for 10 minutes.

Patch_comments_icon

Audrey Levine

2:13 pm on Wednesday, April 25, 2012

Thanks to everyone who has commented so far, and please continue the discussion. But after you read this story, head over here: http://patch.com/A-sJds — take our poll and tell us if your opinion on the negotiations has changed after Tuesday's meeting.

Reply

glenn

2:55 pm on Wednesday, April 25, 2012

Thanks for the 30-odd comments! I was asked to answer a few questions:
I left Teaching after a few years because I got sick and tired of spoiled rotten kids and their spoiled rotten parents. Kids who demanded specific grades, parents with their veiled threats if little Johnny didn't get his A in Advance Bio. It happened. And being new an non-tenured, I was tired of an administration that had 1 response..give the kid the A and move along. The poitics were unbelievable and unacceptable.

MeToo: I don't disagree at all. The entire educational system is broken. It rewards mediocrity and status-quo. Abbott didn;t make it any better as wealthier districs must funnel massive funds to urban districts where, for many reasons, performance will never be up to par with suburban districs, adn it's time we realize that mioney is NOT the fix. Motivation, expectation and a family support system all account for making a good student. In my World, anything less than a Masters Degree is not to standard. You think the families in Newark share that? Schools must be State funded and the propery tax quatioon rewritten. It is a regressive and broken system.

Concerned Citizen: Stop crying. If I could pay 6.5% of salary and draw a retirement, I would get on my knees and cry with happiness. My retirement melted 4 yrs ago.

Reply

glenn

2:56 pm on Wednesday, April 25, 2012

Part II

To who asked about my current salary: It is now under 100K by a substantial margin. At least now I will not have to pay Alternative Minimum Tax for 2012. At my peak, I was topping 200K plus benefits, car and expenses. When the insurance companies started slashing reimbursements, first the car went, then the expenses, the medical was changed to some horrible plan based in WA and I couldn't find an in-net provider. Then the loyoffs started, then the base got cut twice, then commissions cut. I work my ASS off for what I make, but at least it's a job. At my age, changing is a non-issue as I was a late-comer and it's a young-persons biz.

Reply

glenn

2:57 pm on Wednesday, April 25, 2012

FredH: I am NOT bashing teachers. BUT, they knew going in that they would never be huge earners, and they took it anyhow. I AM bashing thier ineffective, bloated Union that cares nothing for the members, but spits out a great rhetoric. And yes, I also agree, when the money pool dries up, those on top must look out for those in the shallow end. However, do you think the Union cares? How many hundred K did Barb Kesheshian make? Her cronies? Why do we need multiple administrators in each school? I went to EAST. We had a Principle and a VP> Now we have hoardes of 100k minions. We can get rid of 2/3 of the upper-admin IMHO. I also agree that we must pay for performance. It is impossible under current rules. There needs to be a clear and fair methodology that takes many factors into account. I can honestly say, through my K-12 years in Bridgewater schools, 30% of the teachers should have retired. They were used up, burnt out and it showed. Lasty, Fred: Under my current situation: I am called out of my home 2x/wk for approx 4-5 hrs per call. My product is used by many MD', and if some idiot wraps his car around a telephone pole at 2AM, I get a call. If I am on vacation,. I have coverage. But relying on that is often futile as the 'coverage' is out of position. So because I actually give a damn about the patient, I get in my car and go get the job done.

Reply
Comment_arrow

Ladymb

3:08 pm on Wednesday, April 25, 2012

Glenn:
It's difficult to determine just who the focus of your bitterness truly is.
You claim teachers "knew going in that they would never be huge earners, and they took it anyhow." That was true and still is. Have you heard teachers asking for a raise to be moved into the "huge earner" category? A 2.85% increase isn't moving any of them to be rich, that's for sure.

You ask if the Union cares about the teachers. NJEA just voted to freeze Union dues for 2 years so teachers wouldn't have to face more deductions from their paychecks.

It seems to me your teaching career was cut short because you went into it for the wrong reasons. You have a lot of complaints listed up there, but you've never mentioned the importance of why you became a teacher. It's not for everyone, as your post clearly shows.

Comment_arrow

Fred H.

3:32 pm on Wednesday, April 25, 2012

I agree with you regarding multiple administrators, especially when so many are less than effective. I will add by saying why must we have a board of education for every two or three towns? That screams redundancy and overlap. Does everyone think there's no down-sizing or expense reductions when big corporations merge? That's why it's done!

Comment_arrow

Katherine

8:54 pm on Thursday, April 26, 2012

Glenn,
Just as we knew going into education, that we wouldn't make a lot, you knew what you were doing when you left teaching and went into the private sector. When you talk about adminstrators, you are talking about a different set of circumstances. They don't negotiate with the teachers. That is a blog for a different time. Also, you are making assumptions about burnt out teachers based on the "eyes" of a high school student. Teenagers make assumptions about people that are based on limited life experience. If you can give more factual data, rather than personal opinion, I may be more willing to see your side of things. Also, having been a teacher, I would think you would realize how many factors go into the education of a student. It is shortsighted to base pay on performance. Here's the short list of problems associated with using test scores to determine a child's success:
1. Some students receive no support from home.
2. We are asked to differentiate instruction and then the state tests the children all in the same way regardless of how they learn.
3. Will the child's progress be based on improvement from the year before or should it be based on the mean score of all students in the state?

Jason Schiff

3:03 pm on Wednesday, April 25, 2012

Glenn - I'm sorry to hear that you did not like teaching but am glad you pointed out a few of the major issues. If anyone understands what a teacher goes through, it's you. Certainly you saw that the teachers were not the cause of the problem and don't have it easy (the issues stem from administrators and district leaders). But am I to understand that the medical industry has no (or fewer) politics than the education profession? Especially in sales, I've always heard that drug companies (not saying that's what you do) give kick-backs to doctors that prescribe their brand of medication. And, of course, those who can't pay don't receive. I always believed teachers did not have to deal with politics. Thanks for the insight!

Reply

DelawareDr

3:44 pm on Wednesday, April 25, 2012

Fred H - you should check your facts before you quote them - the state rankings you quoted were blogged during the Wisconsin labor negotiations and were proved to be old and wrong. By taking my comments, and trying to imply something much more (painting images of Jimmy Hoffa, pitchforks, bashing teachers) is inaccurate and wrong. Your view that private sector people have periods of down time while teachers don't does not take into account that teachers only work with the kids 180+ days a year...I know they work more than those 180 days, but they CLEARLY have down time. This is a worthwhile debate to have, but not with someone who doesn't accurately represent facts or respect differences of opinions.

Reply

Fred H.

4:15 pm on Wednesday, April 25, 2012

Then there is no point continuing the discussion with you. This entire thread is filled with differences of opinion. I've disagreed but made no disrespectful comments. I was not the one who used the "break the union" comment nor am I the only one who disagreed with it. I will agree to disagree with you and part ways in this discussion

Reply

Metoo

5:28 pm on Wednesday, April 25, 2012

glenn states: "At my peak, I was topping 200K plus benefits, car and expenses."
I rest my case.

Reply

glenn

6:44 pm on Wednesday, April 25, 2012

Metoo: Yeah, that fat number was at my PEAK, and it was short lived. it was a long road there and a short road off the cliff. It allowed me a couple nice cars, a paid-off mortgage, but no way I'll be retiring anytime soon, if ever. As they say, walk a day iin MY shoes. I work a ton of hours. My income is falling off a cliff due to managed care cutbacks. I have 2 kids in College and because I had a coupld good years, I am so "rich" that we get ZERO aid of any kind, despite the AP-class kids and their 3.9's. NO aid of ANY kind. We pay absolute highest tuition..and in cash. Wanna see how fast a couple good years earnings can evaporate? At this point in my life, I have to either accept the fact I'll never make more than 75k again, or start my own company and specialize in a few areas where I can still make a living, That startup investment will blow through 100K in no time. With reward comes risk.

Reply

glenn

6:45 pm on Wednesday, April 25, 2012

JasonS: The politcs of education are vast and deep-rooted. Change is snails pace becauese everyone protects thjeir own little turf. Case inpoint: why do we have schoolboards with 6-figure Superintendents that have NO SCHOOLS? There are several in NJ. They are 100% send districts. Paying all that overhead adn not a school building in the district. Why should a Super make more than the Governor? Who has the tougher job? I can go on and on. As for the Medical Industry, yeah, those kickbacks and things do go on, and of course the press jumps all over it. It is a highly comptetitive industry. But the reality is that those events are fairly rare and the reach is not great. MD's are under severe pressures, adn more than a few are counting the days unitll they pack it in. There are mountains of regulations to navigate. These deals are going away fast because payment and cash flow is very transparent now.What the press does NOT talk about is the freebies we pass along by the hundreds of Millions a year. Just today I gave away 2 pieces of equipment to needy people who got raked over by their insurers. Those 2 items cost me almost $400..direct out of my pcket, no manufacturer contribution. But bottomline,. it's the right thing to do.

Reply

glenn

6:47 pm on Wednesday, April 25, 2012

I got out of teaching not so much because it was wrong for me, but I quickly saw that it was not what I expected it to be. I wanted to be judged on my ability and results...not by some burned-out hack counting the days to early retirement. It was such that if you talked to person A, then person B would snub you and then C and D would gang up on B. Really? I thought we left the High Schooll cliques behind us! Every day it went on.. Then dealing with the snob parents who have NO idea that their little darling is as dumb as a box of rocks, and that a 1/2 page paper of single-syllable words is NOT garnering an "A" grade. I got tired of defending good standards. But realizing that it was all about tenure..and doing whatever it took, because THAT was the prize. It was a learning experience for sure. Sad thing is that the District called me up for YEARS asking me to come back because I had Science Degrees. I wasn't being offered $50K ...they were doing a lot better. But it wasn't worth it. I respect teachers and what they do. I know I can't do it. But untill their Union is reorganized and actually concerned about kids and not themselves, the teachers will be thrown into the same pot. Entry level jobs in my biz are now paying as low as $30K base and commission. Health care contributions range from 30-50%. matching 401K's pay about 1/4 what they did 5 yrs ago. Company cars are a nice perk, but they now bill for personal use. Even the gravy jobs just are not what they used to be.

Reply
Comment_arrow

NJ Teacher

11:21 pm on Wednesday, April 25, 2012

Glenn, I agree with just about all that you've said in your summary of teaching. It's quite pathetic actually that this is what teaching has become. THIS, my friends, is exactly why we need tenure, so that teachers can do the right thing and not fear for their jobs. It's very different to judge somebody's kid that thinks he or she is a genius when he or she is not. Sometimes the truth hurts parents feelings, and in response to the hurt, they lash out and look for ways to get teachers fired. This can happen very easily if the person is "friends" with a board member, AND the teacher is non-tenured. So Glenn, the name of the game is to play the game until you get tenure, then you can do the right thing. And by right thing, I mean, stop playing the stupid politics and assess kids honestly. Get rid of tenure, and watch, all kids will get A's...

And PS, if I start getting judged and my raises start getting based upon my student's performance, then all these stupid interruptions that take students out of class like guidance appointments, class council speeches, field trips, and whatever else, will STOP. No more.

Comment_arrow

Toni

7:51 pm on Saturday, April 28, 2012

Glenn, I will always be eternally grateful that my kids did not have you for a teacher. What a lousy attitude.

Metoo

7:02 pm on Wednesday, April 25, 2012

glenn, thanks for your candor. But, you did get to pay off a mortgage probably quicker than you would have otherwise. My teacher friend just told me, he'd like a year or two of 200k income; he also said he would swap his pension plan for a matching 401K tomorrow.

As for college, most people are dealing with that financial headache. Sounds like you chose expensive colleges, wouldn't a State school have sufficed?

With all the outsourcing, downsizing and mostly non-union work in the private sector, what do you suppose is driving costs up?

Reply
Comment_arrow

glenn

7:43 am on Thursday, April 26, 2012

I did get to pay down the Mortgage, & it does reduce the pressure. But there were a lot of times when we were wrapping loose change and using 2-for1 coupons.My wife wasn't a big earner until she did a career change at 40 which bumped her into the 70's from the low 30's. I'd take a matching 401K ANY day. .Problem is that most companies don't match anymore. Maybe 25-50c on the employee dollar. Sanofi Pharma used to match $2.25 to the dollar! My wife does have a pension and we're grateful for it. The kids are not in pricy schools. 1child is at TCNJ, a State school. The other is at Howard Univ. in DC because the medical program he is in is only offered at about 60 schools in the US and each class is limited to about 30 candidates. Acceptance rates are less than 5%.. Howard tuition is very low for a private school. It costssignificantly less than Rutgers. But that $60K/ year is brutal when you pay in after-tax dollars and you can't borrow at reduced rates. Our kids will still have to borrow substantial amounts. 1 child will be a HS Science Teacher. The other a degreed Medical Professional.
As for costs rising: Increased demand for services driven by MD fear of lawsuits. I find that 1/3 of tests are unnecessary, but are ordered as cover-your-ass prophylaxis.because they can be sued so easily. 2nd: Profit. Letting insurers switch from indemnity co's to 4-profit co's means more money NOT going into healthcare, but is used to pay stock holders and co.officers

NJ Teacher

11:07 am on Thursday, April 26, 2012

Glenn, my apologies for my snide "new BMW 5 series" comment. It was really not necessary. I am also sorry that you have suffered such dramatic reductions in your pay over the last few years. The reality is, we're all suffering in this economy. Perhaps this is part of the new normal? For so many years our economy was steam rolling ahead, it may be that level of growth is simply not sustainable long term. The funny thing about our current situation is that we have all become so very greedy, not any one group, but nobody is willing to blink first to "take one for the team". I am a fan of our capital system of government, but it really does place more emphasis on money than what is "right" sometimes....actually most times. To allow health insurance companies to go for profit, in the name of stock holders, CEOs, and I'm sure politicians that have their hand in the til, is shameful.

The only additional thing I'd like to add to this conversation is that people always talk about how well paid teachers are, and how "rich" our benefits are, yet, when asked if they would rather switch jobs with me they always balk. The only reason I can imagine this occurs is because deep down they know that teachers aren't overpaid, and that their "rich" benefits are part of their remuneration.

Reply

Mr. Had Enough

12:59 pm on Thursday, April 26, 2012

I think that you all need to look long and hard at the issues at hand from the layman's perspective. Teachers, you chose this as your career. Teaching has never offered a financial windfall but it offered job security, good benefits and if you want it, summers off or an additional opportunity for increased income. Now, there may be an increased price for this but, your industry is no different than any other. I don't believe in unions and clearly, it's doing nothing for you but at the same time, it exists and is part of your culture so you have to take it with a grain of salt. I believe that teachers and administration need to take a long and hard look at things. If the teachers can't get a raise, administrator's should not either. Your benefits are better than the private sector hands down, even at 10% cost base. I haven't seen a raise in years and bonus...yeah...they were the first thing to get cut during the economic downturn and amazingly not restored 4 years later. I am sorry that some of you are not doing as well as others financially and may need to work second jobs but, its common in the private sector too, not everyone is making $100+K with a 50% bonus. If teaching is your love, your passion, just do your job and do it well for the kids and make your argument the fact that the administrators are taking annual raises when there is no money for anyone or anything else. If you hate teaching and think the grass is greaner, you probably have a masters, good luck.

Reply

Hillsboroteacher

6:01 pm on Thursday, April 26, 2012

Glenn,

Were you actually a teacher? Or a sub? Think hard before you answer.

Tell me about that 70k job your wife has. Sound pretty good compared to the 52k I earn teaching. Does she need a degree to do her job?

Reply

Kids First

6:13 pm on Thursday, April 26, 2012

Clearly, this BOE does not respect the current system or teachers in general. Refusing to negotiate fairly is wasting the taxpayers’ money and creating a district of low morale. Please urge the BOE to reach an agreement before this battle begins to adversely affect the quality of teaching in Bridgewater.

Reply
Comment_arrow

Concerned Citizen

7:17 pm on Thursday, April 26, 2012

For anyone who thinks the BOE is being thrifty and fixing roofs with the money, consider this. The BOE purchased a new math program 3 years ago. At that time they rejected Singapore Math in favor of Harcourt Math. Guess what they are doing for next year - shoving all the Harcourt books and materials into storage and purchasing - you guessed it - the Singapore Math program. Why? Because the Harcourt program does not meet the Common Core State Standards that our students will be tested on. How depressing that these folks had no idea that they were blowing hundreds of thousands of our tax dollars on a useless math program. This is just one example of mismanagement of funds. If you read the BOE minutes carefully you'll find plenty more. Like paying consultants to manage the health benefits plan. Isn't that what the human resources department gets paid to do. It goes on and on. The thinking that they are fiscally responsible because they only raised the tax levy 1% instead of 2% is a joke.

Comment_arrow

Kids First

7:44 pm on Thursday, April 26, 2012

I'm sure the BOE members are intelligent people who are good at whatever career they have chosen, however they lack the experience to fully understand what it's like the work in a school on a daily basis. "Teacher for a Day" programs are great, but only give a very small perspective of what it is like. That's true of any occupation.

Mismanagement of funds could be avoided if the BOE would just listen to teachers when it comes to big money decisions for the district. Maybe it's time to restructure the system. Someone should be held accountable for wasting the taxpayers' money & the BOE cannot be fired - MAYBE voted out in a few years.

Metoo

7:54 pm on Thursday, April 26, 2012

Institutional memory is going bye bye...

Reply

NJ Teacher

10:18 pm on Thursday, April 26, 2012

Yes, we did go into this job well informed you're right, and when I chose to go into teaching I had a pension worth more than it is now, and benefits were part of the pay plan. I would NOT have gone into teaching for the low pay without those other benes to compensate for said pay. I have a degree in science and am a science teacher, I could have gone into something that paid much more, so the fact that the state didn't pay their share and my pension and benes are more costly and less supple, is a crime beyond forgiving. Bastard politicians STOLE MY money to buy votes, plain and simple. They should all go to jail.

As for paying me based on my students performance, bottom line, schools are not businesses, if my students decide to come to "work" I'll prepared to do their job, I can't fire them like an employee in business. If I could fire the ones that are I'll prepared, then I'll take my chances at being judged by their performance. Those that think otherwise are just ignorant.

Reply

Toni

8:56 pm on Friday, April 27, 2012

There is so much more to the school budget than staff salaries and benefits. If you are really concerned about where your tax dollars are going, you should attend more board of education meetings and find out. What happens with the BREA contract neogtiations should be the least of your concerns.

It really isn't about what you make vs. what "they" make. If you really feel the need to compare, find a teacher with the same education and years of experience as you. Then make the comparison. You will be surprised.

These are the people to whom you entrust your children for over 7 hours every day. They shoulder the bulk of the responsibility for shaping who your children become over the course of 13 years. Do we really want to tell these people "you are not worth it, we'd rather have someone cheaper"? Or maybe "I didn't get a raise last year in my job, so you shouldn't either"?

I, for one, would not want to step into their shoes for even a minute. I know what my two sons are like on a rainy weekend. I would definitely not want 24 of them in one room with me for 7 hours every day!!!

I implore the Board of Education to stop playing around and lose the attitude. Figure out a way to make it work and get this settled. It's been going on for way too long and I'm ashamed of you. And I will remember, come election time.

Reply

Katherine

10:32 pm on Friday, April 27, 2012

I The Hardest Job Everyone Thinks They Can Do

By Dennis Hong, September 13, 2010 6:30 am

57KShare

Image by doug88888 via Flickr

This piece was inspired by a heated discussion I had with a man who believes that teachers have an easy job. Please feel free to share it with others if you agree with the message.

I used to be a molecular biologist. I spent my days culturing viruses. Sometimes, my experiments would fail miserably, and I’d swear to myself in frustration. Acquaintances would ask how my work was going. I’d explain how I was having a difficult time cloning this one gene. I couldn’t seem to figure out the exact recipe to use for my cloning cocktail.

Acquaintances would sigh sympathetically. And they’d say, “I know you’ll figure it out. I have faith in you.”

And then, they’d tilt their heads in a show of respect for my skills….

Today, I’m a high school teacher. I spend my days culturing teenagers. Sometimes, my students get disruptive, and I swear to myself in frustration. Acquaintances ask me how my work is going. I explain how I’m having a difficult time with a certain kid. I can’t seem to get him to pay attention in class.

Acquaintances smirk knowingly. And they say, “well, have you tried making it fun for the kids? That’s how you get through to them, you know?”

And then, they explain to me how I should do my job….

Reply

Katherine

10:35 pm on Friday, April 27, 2012

I realize now how little respect teachers get. Teaching is the toughest job everyone who’s never done it thinks they can do. I admit, I was guilty of these delusions myself. When I decided to make the switch from “doing” science to “teaching” science, I found out that I had to go back to school to get a teaching credential.

“What the f—?!?,” I screamed to any friends willing to put up with my griping. “I have a Ph.D.! Why do I need to go back to get a lousy teaching credential?!?”

I was baffled. How could I, with my advanced degree in biology, not be qualified to teach biology?!

Well, those school administrators were a stubborn bunch. I simply couldn’t get a job without a credential. And so, I begrudgingly enrolled in a secondary teaching credential program.

Continued from "Hardest Job..."
And boy, were my eyes opened. I understand now.

Teaching isn’t just “making it fun” for the kids. Teaching isn’t just academic content.

Reply

Katherine

10:38 pm on Friday, April 27, 2012

Part 3 of "Hardest Job..."

Teaching is understanding how the human brain processes information and preparing lessons with this understanding in mind.

Teaching is simultaneously instilling in a child the belief that she can accomplish anything she wants while admonishing her for producing shoddy work.

Teaching is understanding both the psychology and the physiology behind the changes the adolescent mind goes through.

Teaching is convincing a defiant teenager that the work he sees no value in does serve a greater purpose in preparing him for the rest of his life.

Teaching is offering a sympathetic ear while maintaining a stern voice.

Teaching is being both a role model and a mentor to someone who may have neither at home, and may not be looking for either.

Teaching is not easy. Teaching is not intuitive. Teaching is not something that anyone can figure out on their own. Education researchers spend lifetimes developing effective new teaching methods. Teaching takes hard work and constant training. I understand now.

Have you ever watched professional athletes and gawked at how easy they make it look? Kobe Bryant weaves through five opposing players, sinking the ball into the basket without even glancing in its direction. Brett Favre spirals a football 100 feet through the air, landing it in the arms of a teammate running at full speed. Does anyone have any delusions that they can do what Kobe and Brett do?

Reply

Katherine

10:39 pm on Friday, April 27, 2012

Part 4
Yet, people have delusions that anyone can do what the typical teacher does on a typical day.

Maybe the problem is tangibility. Shooting a basketball isn’t easy, but it’s easy to measure how good someone is at shooting a basketball. Throwing a football isn’t easy, but it’s easy to measure how good someone is at throwing a football. Similarly, diagnosing illnesses isn’t easy to do, but it’s easy to measure. Winning court cases isn’t easy to do, but it’s easy to measure. Creating and designing technology isn’t easy to do, but it’s easy to measure.

Inspiring kids? Inspiring kids can be downright damned near close to impossible sometimes. And… it’s downright damned near close to impossible to measure. You can’t measure inspiration by a child’s test scores. You can’t measure inspiration by a child’s grades. You measure inspiration 25 years later when that hot-shot doctor, or lawyer, or entrepreneur thanks her fourth-grade teacher for having faith in her and encouraging her to pursue her dreams.

Maybe that’s why teachers get so little respect. It’s hard to respect a skill that is so hard to quantify.

So, maybe you just have to take our word for it. The next time you walk into a classroom, and you see the teacher calmly presiding over a room full of kids, all actively engaged in the lesson, realize that it’s not because the job is easy. It’s because we make it look easy. And because we work our asses off to make it look easy.

Reply
Comment_arrow

Katherine

10:46 pm on Friday, April 27, 2012

I think many people think they are capable of doing the job because they still see the job through the eyes of a child. When I was young I thought teaching would be fun and easy. Afterall, I had to do all the work. Boy, was I wrong! I keep going back to school to improve my skills. I have 2 post undergraduate degrees and various credits from different institutions that I took just because I wanted to know and learn more.

Leave a comment